Rep. 875. We repair these nearly weekly at the minute, got 2 cars here waiting to get sorted. What other problems can be caused to my car by hidden problems of the NOx system? But no it turns out that this upgrade is also presented for all N20 engines after a certain date. Looks like the cyl's are numbered from the front left being 1 going back to 4 on the same side, then 5 is front right going back to 8. N55. Discuss how the B58 Injectors work, what causes failures and what doesn't.This Google Doc was created to help track failures from other enthusiastsYou only need to add your details if you *HAVE* experience an injector failureGoogle Sheet Link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mDdW5x_01RAUZwAaF9HwCM72nGOk42JX-2rVz_iZVKo/edit------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Join this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm2nZrZHSg3IjGBfp7lDpdg/joinOrder your B58 parts through my BimmerNetwork Affiliate Link (Coupon Code \"kern417\"):https://www.bimmernetwork.com/?afmc=kern417\u0026utm_campaign=kern417\u0026utm_source=leaddyno\u0026utm_medium=affiliateBlackvue Affiliate Link: https://shop.blackvue.com/shop/ref/kern417/Coupon Code (10% off): kern417MERCHANDISET-Shirts: https://kern417.creator-spring.comStickers: $5 each. 2days later at the traffic light medium throttle it happened again . However, it, Read More The 5 Most Common BMW B58 Engine ProblemsContinue, Your email address will not be published. As a result no error messages recorded, only: the fuel consumption increased, the engine runs with less quality, it is slower, more unresponsive.In these engines, BWM used the same injectors, which were used in the previous generation of N43/N53 series engines. Stratified charge performance check. A lair of excellent specialists. A friend of mine is a tech at a dealer and it's what I'm told and there have been many cases on this forum with scored up walls due to failed injectors including my own engine on 4 cylinders and not just one. Drives: M4. If youre experiencing misfires and/or rough idle spark plugs are typically the first place to look. Required fields are marked *. Its a quality oil for a good price. Now becoming a common cause of poor running on these engines. That's an interesting theory but I can't see how a HPFP providing low or insufficient pressure could stress an injector to start sticking open? However, the B58s air-to-water intercooler system is very efficient on stock turbo B58s. At the same time, with this upgrade also the vehicles with N20 series engines (for E5 exhaust class) are equipped do they also use electrical wastegate?Unexpected kindness from the manufacturer. What sort of engine air filter? 220.00. Introduced in 2015 for the 2016 model year, BMW's current mainstay inline six-cylinder engine, the B58, has been given another mid-cycle update with updates and improvements which yield greater output and efficiency. Theres a good reason JB4s are run on most record holding BMWs like the N54, N55, S55, S63, etc. B58. Well discuss this more in the next question below. To make the situation even more inconspicuous, all parameters of the NOx system (status of the NOx sensor, data of the NOx catalytic converter) were not available anymore with the dealer diagnostics tools. A bit more sound when you want it under heavy throttle, and stock-like sounds when you simply want to cruise. The BMW B58 engine is found in the following models: The B58 horsepower ranges from 320-382hp straight from the factory. Originally Posted by G_B58. Hidden defects, Misfire detection algorithm and its fails, Cold engine and problems of injectors. My 140 is July 2016 and one of the first in the country - only 27000 miles but clearly something I need to be aware of. Expect gains in the ballpark of 15-30whp with a catless downpipe. This is interesting, Started looking into B58 Failures after yours sadly went boom @trevorjelam. Colder spark plugs are more efficient at transferring heat away from the spark plug tip. But. Perhaps it is, too - just that the injector goes first for whatever reason. Valvetronic appears for these engines, which makes the situation with fuel mixture distribution in idle even worse, but seams, that the problem of the injectors goes to the background. Posts. This also caused multiple other cylinders to misfire. Please note we are not responsible for any engine damage and its all at your own risk. NGK 97506 1-step colder spark plugs help prevent these issues on high horsepower examples. Instead of shopping at the dealer, come to us and save money! The connecting rods are actually made in one piece. Where could be the problem? No possible repair only complete 40k engine replacement . Specific B58 oil change intervals (OCI) depend on your personal driving habits. What sort of personal outcomes are you looking for? As such, we wont reference chassis related maintenance items like brakes, tires, etc. Stratified charge: disabled. BMW introduced the B-series of modular engines in 2016. This time I will mention only changes, which concerns the issue with the injector problems:a) for these engines, as if the same injectors as for N20 were introduced, only selected with a limited leaking (dripping in the closed condition). Certain G series models began receiving the updated B58TU1 in 2019. Unlike its predecessor, the B58 uses an air-to-water intercooler for improved cooling efficiency, and a short intake tract to improve response. Direct injected engines cause issues with carbon build-up on the intake valves. Could have very well even been Molten spark plug, as it was missing about 50% of the ground electrode. I'm living proof with 4 scored up walls with 4 failed injectors. However, time will tell just how bad the valves look around the 100,000+ mile mark. Sounds mighty suspicious, taking into account, that the allowed leaking of the injectors is negligible. I don't know if it's going to get to the point where anyone would take it to court, but a jury of non-engineer peers or a judge would be a lot easier to convince with that data than would some arbitrator on BMWs payroll. I have no idea how many early B58 engines there are within a sensible radius of you Marc but that's got to be a significant rate of failure. Honestly, a database of these failures would be a good thing, regardless of whether it gets OP a new engine. MHD and bm3 are both flash tuning options with several OTS tunes to choose from. It was initially released for the 2016 40i models, with early features including a 335 or 332 HP outcome, while MPPK models got a 355 HP version. Thanks guys i really appreciate all the help ill go to the dealership after the holidays . The engines successfully run even in a Stratified charge! Whats the difference, Dealer. Also, these engines didnt have a Stratified charge. Some let go at 500whp while others hold up for years at 700whp. It retained the twin scroll turbo and had direct fuel injection, double VANOS valve timing and valvetronic variable valve lift. No engine is perfect and no engine is exempt from potential problems. 1 and No.6 is the largest;b. The efficiency of cylinders No.3 and No.4 is average;c. The efficiency of cylinders No. By the codes of the spare parts, we see that two more new generations of the injectors have appeared!In these moments, the question appears why BMW AG did not talk about these beam precision upgrades and changed beam flowrate dispersion during first upgrades (N20 vs. N26)? Mileage when the failure occured? 11.0:1. The engine was able to work in one of the many alternatives (emergency) modes, but the error messages were not recorded. However, the JB4 can be stacked with a flash tune, known as a back-end flash. N43/N53 operation modes. Its also not terribly expensive, especially for the DIY crowd. This creates excessive pollution. Ultimately, 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-20, and 5W-30 will all work well. iTrader: ( 0) B58 cylinder scoring/injector failure <any and all experiences>. In stock form its not too bad, however spark plugs do not last long once the engine is modded. The BMW 520d came with a 2.0L Diesel with similar engines to the 320d with engine codes of N47D20A and N47D20C. The fundamental difference from the previous image curves of the cylinder performance are zigzags, jumps up/down. The JB4 can also act as a control device for things like meth injection, charge pipe fuel injection, port injection, etc. . Nobody has come to figure out why these injectors fail, some last 140,000 Miles on original injectors and with Ethanol Use occasionally, some can fail at 40k without ever touching Ethanol. The efficiency of cylinder No. You must log in or register to reply here. Uneven running. Fitting also available on this item. Poor fuel economy. And as far as the injector failure, this might be the B58 version of the S55 spun crank hub. Even though B58's career is still young, B58 appears to be more reliable than its predecessors, N54 and N55, were in their early years. Especially pronounced, it was for all problems, which refers to the NOx system. Your email address will not be published. Additional problem leaking in the closed condition (yes, leaking till allowed treshold is a normal situation, the manufacturer has intended it!). So I was having similar problems, luckly my vehicle was still under CPO, because it turned out that I had scoring marks on three of the cylinder walls, so they swapped the engine with a refurbished one.. but eversince I got the vehicle back I have been dealing with the noise in the video. have you guys experienced this ? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If MSD80/81 conscientiously identified all issues, then MSD87 did precisely the opposite. Stratified charge: disabled. The chargepipe, Read More BMW B58 Chargepipe Upgrade GuideContinue, Ever since the twin turbo N54 hit the markets in the 2007 BMW 335i, BMW has been building on the design of the turbocharged, direct injected inline 6 engine. Part 2. As such, the JB4 is limited by the parameters built into the stock DME. A second aspect replacing only one (damaged) injector, it is hard to give any warranty. The reason of not using piezo injector is due to the high sulfur content in US market's gasoline, which makes implementing the "lean burn" feature impossible. Whats the difference, Dealer. BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST, B58 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications, https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/shodiagId=13_1754, https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/par90&series=F30N. Join Date: Sep 2018. This time - regarding data, available in the ISTA/Expert mode. Are there any ways to see the health status of the NOx system?, B58. What are deviations from the ideal allowed? Anyways, we ultimately recommend the JB4 and well dive into that more. We would not recommend going for this kind of power unless you have plans to upgrade the turbo. engine failure and limp mode . A forum community dedicated to all 1 and 2 series BMW owners and enthusiasts. If detonation occurs, your BMW's engine may fail immediately. 2 and No.5 is the smallest.Why does such a situation form? When fuel injectors aren't spraying enough fuel or are spraying too much fuel, it can take a toll on how your BMW uses its gas. JavaScript is disabled. Again, the B58 seems to be highly reliable in its early days. BMWs B58 engine also uses drop-forged cracked connecting rods. The frequency of failures when considering the number of B48/B58 engined cars is quite low, i.e., the issue is an 'if', not a 'when'. I cannot do this myself, It will be pricey.. Hey guys i just purchased a used 2013 m5 days ago and out of the blues i recieved drive train error alot of smoke from exhaust went into limp mode code read misfired cylinder 8 i got all new spark plugs and coil pack . Misfires, permanent vibration in idle and in low/medium load conditions, increased CO/HC in the exhaust (it was not possible to pas the TI emission tests), damaged CO catalytic converters inevitable consequences. I had something very similar with out the mod. N20/N26. The Bosch solenoid injector used on the B58 engine Turbo Charger. Rough run. Light acceleration triggered this and alot of smoke from tail pipes . Link be be great, any of you guys experience vibration at cold start ? Throttle and accelerator pedal. MSV70/80, MSD80 and Lambda probes. It provides better fulfillment of cylinders with the fuel. Genuine BMW B58 B48 Fuel Injector. B38 / B48 / B58 Fuel Injector Puller Remover. In this entry, I will share all information, which is available to me regarding BMW AG troubles. Its a lot of torque for a factory single turbo bolted to a 3.0L inline 6. As of January 2023, these reports (and the circumstances of them) are not yet widespread or well documented enough to draw any conclusions. Visit FCP Euro. 340i and 440i models received the 320hp variant with 332 lb/ft of torque. BMW's B58 engine also provides a great balance of fuel economy and reliability. You can likely stretch that further. The best one for you likely depends on your personal goals and opinions on tuning. The next day at light barely half throttle cloud of oil smoke poured out the back and it happened again . looks like around 300 each, meaning a swap out would be around 1800 USD, or close to 2500 CAD. F series. F10/11. This leaned out the motor and ringland piston #1 shattered and melted. Speeds upwards of 180-190mph are possible with tunes and bolt-ons. However, some B58 stock turbos have been pushed beyond 23psi. The B58 replaced the N55 and was launched in the F30 340i.. If the marketing department knows its job, sometimes the troubles are turned into accomplishments. So far, the B58 won four Wards 10 Best Engine awards. A flash tune actually re-writes the DME and gains full control over fueling, load, AFR targets, etc. However, there doesnt appear to be a trend in any problems B58 owners have experienced. Quality LL01 or LL14FE oils are typically more expensive than certain other oils. Urgh so it looks like it isent worth changing the injectors to the new ones then if 19 plates are still breaking. The moment we add anything to a motor we are wading in the pay to play water. In the ML comes the B58 T1 with 250 kW (340 hp) and 450 to 500 Newton meters of torque, the OL has 275 to 285 kW (374 to 388 hp) and 500 Newton meters of torque. Smooth run. RK Autowerks B58 Port Injection Kit - B58 Gen 2. B48/B58. 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