Let no man divide what God has put together., 7 The proud religious law-keepers said to Jesus, Then why did the Law of Moses allow a man to divorce his wife if he put it down in writing and gave it to her? 8 Jesus said to them, Because of your hard hearts Moses allowed you to divorce your wives. But the actual Gospel is this: That even while were sinners, Christ died for us! Im not trying to bait you or flame you or troll you or whatever. I would also ask, why do we tolerate certain sins in ourselves and others? Did ANC follow typical ecclesiastical procedures regarding their change in position regarding an important, divisive, and controversial doctrine? If you want to stay in the fold, youd best be subordinately silent. Timeline: Whether it be drunkiness,adultery or homosexuality. is that documented somewhere? A public figure often needs to be called publicly. I had a woman tell me just today that she prayed and prayed and God did not take away her lesbianism. Im so sorry you were harassed and abused. And in any case expressing a mistaken idea isnt a sin. We have to look at all the Bible to draw our conclusions. 2701 S Lamar Blvd, Austin, TX 78704 . It was also Jesus who affirmed what exactly a marriage covenant is when he said, from Genesis, that a man leaves his father and mother to cling to his wife and become one flesh. All of scripture is God breathed. It was put out publicly by the husband I think on their Facebook page that they felt they were led to believe that as long as a homosexual couple are faithful to one another the its fine just like a normal marriage. This is the right thing according to Matthew 18, a teaching emphasized in the intentional-community churches Ive been part of since reaching adulthood but not in the evangelical ones I grew up with. Hatmaker's father was a pastor and ran a family church. Austin New Church 141 viewsStreamed 3 days ago 1:15:21 ANC 01-22-2023 Sunday Live Service Austin New Church 192 views Streamed 10 days ago 1:06:19 ANC 01-15-2023 Sunday Live Service Austin New. In Sunday School, we dont really teach our kids about all the crazy stuff that happened in the Old Testament. Shes a heretic! Or at least that is true for many. Its in alignment with the word of God because Paul said teachers have harsher judgment, and Jesus said those who teach people to break moral law will be called least in the kingdom. And of COURSE he would use the same language they were using. ANY sex outside of that is morally wrong in Gods eyes. I apologize for such a long post. Well, thats logical enough. In January of 2018, after coming under the umbrella of the United Methodist Church, we were gifted our beautiful new campus in the heart of the 04. State desire to remain in a tension on the issue, however, no opposing historical views are presented, and most if not all elders holding to traditional views have left ANC since the interview. 1:44. God comes first. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. These couples rejoiced, and told everyone how the church didnt need a senior pastor, and how they were going to now lead the church for the future. Im going to respond to just your first sentence. So hopefully nobody interprets my misgivings to this article as being a religious bigot. Even if the person you have concerns about isnt known to you personally (a well-known identity like Jen, for example), a private message or email is a far more respectful (and therefore, more effective) means of exchanging views. Jesus condemns every expression of sex outside of marriage given what the word porneia means in both Biblical and non-Biblical sources. The few times PAUL talks about homosexuality, FYI, he either uses the terms that literally mean pedophilia OR they get lumped in with every other sexual act outside of marriage, including STRAIGHT SEX. Lets focus on how the devil is using each and everyone of us in order to win good people over to his side. By the way, Mathew 19:12 isnt referring to sexual orientation other than w/regards to the one reference about one having been deformed (for lack of a better word) at birth and therefore not able to complete his duties (so to say) in marriage but of course there were those in that time who were castrated and then the other reference meaning those who can lead a chaste life not because you sin if you decide to marry but those who are born with an inclination to be able to lead a chaste life and can be more centered in devoting ones life to Christ without the responsibilities of marriage. And wall building and ceremonial ejections are classic signs of unhealthy religion. I just ran across your blog recently. There have been some good points in regards to personal and local church interaction and correction, and how media personalities whose influence is borderless can be, and should be accountable to Christians everywhere. However, one thing Jesus never did was condone their sin. In like fashion, conservatives are trying to reason from Scripture why homosexual sex (as well as any sex outside of marriage, including LOOKING at another person with lust in your heart) is damnable sin but thanks be to God we are SAVED in CHRIST from it! That is the way it is handled in our church. Is she a pastor? Updated August 18, 2020 A church plant in 2008, our church has been nomads in a myriad of locations in the South Austin area. Denying that homosexuality is a sin is a form of self-justification! I know a guy with a Phd from a very conservative seminary who loves Jesus with all his heart, but he doesnt believe the earth was created in six days. Only He can tell us in our heart of hearts. Some elders were not aware of this change in stance prior to the interview publication. http://bible.com/114/mrk.10.6-9.nkjv. If you come to faith in a Church of Christ service, they will often baptize you on the spot, lest you die in a car wreck on the way home and go to hell. And she calls herself a Christian!. BHs Facebook profile describes himself as Author. JM has stated from the pulpit that JH is his boss. Yet, I find myself sobbing in my back yard as I listen, hoping no one hears . The Hatmakers' congregation, Austin New Church, ultimately transferred from the Free Methodist Church, an evangelical denomination, to the United Methodist Church. If they say something a number of us disagree with, and do so publically, maybe we can disagree from beneath that is, with a profound sense of our own brokenness and need of Christs Grace-full touch? Our dream is to have an increasingly positive impact on the South Austin Community. And then there are the oft-cited examples of Pauls implicit endorsement of slavery and the reduced role/view of women. I so agree with your point about how we handle disagreement in evangelicalism. In what universe is she to be held in the same standing as an ordained minister? My skepticism about wide-spread spiritual discernment amongst Church leaders ended young for me. Our campus is more than just a building where we gather on Sundays. The gospel of Jesus is the core of our faith. After three years of intensive study, reading the Bible in its original languages, going deep into study with people of Faith on all sides of the issue.I came to see that the Bible didnt always say what I thought it did (or wanted it to). So perhaps Gods standards for sexuality are a little more flexible than you might maintain? I personally think we should confront any teaching done by a well known Christian voice publically, since it is out there publically. Would you kick him out of your church because he doesnt believe that part of the Bible? Never about homosexuality. But thanks be to God that Jesus has died for you and me despite our whining, our blasphemy, and our foolish and sinful ways. It is one of my favorite stories. What good is it?! These people should NOT be leaders in teaching other Christians. Required fields are marked *. JM states he was silently pro gay marriage when he was hired but kept this position hidden and claims his ability to not be cornered regarding his doctrinal views: I can do the presidential pivot. I listen, but I no longer debate their criticisms and small mindedness. Do you believe this, and if not how do you justify that? And Im not suggesting that religious leaders shouldnt debate and discuss their concerns when members (or fellow leaders) appear to contradict or challenge these beliefs. The commandments are these: love God and love people. "Meets at Jackies. Constricting.Simulating.Seekin Over the wall you go, Rob Bell. BH: Brandon Hatmaker, founding pastor and elder at ANC Where is your compassion? This is a really big deal to members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. This is the problem with Rob Bell and the other guy mentioned in the Article. Does shaming those who speak up for the vulnerable bring people to the Loving and Forgiving God? The best place to confront false teaching is on Sundays from the pulpit (like in Pauls letters which were meant to be read to a local church) and in personal discussion, where real Q & A dialogue can happen. In empathy with both the Pro & Anti rhetoric about Personalities in Leadership, this smacks a bit of ideological differences of political alignment. A better idea is to study Mt 5-7 with a wary eye for Judaizers early edits, then read the rest as history and commentary. Holly, let me guess: Youre heterosexual and married or in a relationship with a manmaybe you have kids. Sadly, this is what happens when religious communities become obsessed with building walls to exclude others. We all should know what that really is. The greatest commandments : love God with your whole self, love your neighbour as yourself. I appreciate your post on this. Correction to above: That is, as one man and one woman? Should have read That is, as being expressed fully in marriage between one man and one woman?. If you dont know where get a commentary or a Bible thst has an index of where versus are. Way too much dialogue is done publicly and its not healthy. both with the questions validity and the proper response. But the feeding frenzy around Jen Hatmaker isnt that. Loving your neighbor as yourself requires you to have love in your heart in the first place. What comes to mind for me in countering your view is Matthew 18:6-9. Brandon is a former pastor of Austin New Church (located in Austin, Texas, USA). If you believe that, you need to reread that passage and see for what the whip was used. Mike are you saying the nature and the tone of the criticisms are what you object to? Not only is it a revisioned and repurposed music venue, it is also home to Austin New Church, a variety of 12-step programs & support groups, an award winning after school care program, and a progressive and inclusive Latino faith community. The author thought he had the dream job: pastoring a megachurch. Truth is truth, however, and it is offensive. At some point the quantity and quality of ex-evangelicals will outweigh the insiders, and evangelicalism will struggle surely supporting Trump is against its original principles and a sign of its death. When church leaders dont mind resembling the bad guys in the Gospels we have a problem. That being said, the rise of the celebrity Christian/social commentator/preacher seems to exacerbate many of the issues Mike draws attention to. Its tiring to read all these comments urging us to root out heresy (as if Jen Hatmaker is a heretic). 2701 S Lamar Blvd Austin, TX 78704. And maybe that is good. Online. Yet, I am still saved. Yet, the Bible is clear that it was. New Releases. I think most Christians would agree with that. I shouldnt have to spell it out. Stop making excuses. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. November 1: BH affirms his JHs position on FB. You either believe or you dont and you either repent and work away from sin or you dont. Get Directions . I am never for calling names but when false teachings arise they must be dealt with. 5 It says, For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. If a sweet grandmother comes walking out of church and I kick her in the shins, she will probably react. Come be part of what God is doing." Yes the 2nd chapter of Genesis is poetry. Im not arrogant-Im just trying to be obedient. We all know deep down whats right and whats wrong. He also said marriage was between a man and a woman only. I do think Christians have adopted some culturally normative communication patterns; engaging in reflexive critique via social media and being far too easily offended, among them. 100% with you, Mike Frost. Its just so obvious that the creator God made man for man. Wilshire Baptist Church, a Dallas-area congregation, voted in 2016 to extend full membership to homosexually active people, including leadership ordination and marriage officiation. JM updates facebook Left Job at Free Methodist Church USA Im not. I love the teachings and have met all of the offenders you have mentioned. People often say things are facts based only on their opinions and interpretations but saying theyre absolute eternal truths? This wealthy guy asks Jesus how he can gain eternal life. And with all due respect, wouldnt your theology investigation be better invested on this very important matter of salvation (affecting 100% of humanity) instead of the issue of homosexuality (affecting 3-5% of humanity)? Specialties: Our dream is to have an increasingly positive impact on the South Austin Community. Maybe try and figure out where your love went. Ive had to distance myself from several in the Christian community where I live following character assassination and some harassment. She also said she attempted suicide. In response to Ben, below, it aint necessarily so. Maybe youre PCA, and if so, I would ask you how you justify the idea of salvation through grace alone when verses like Matthew 7:21, Romans 2:13, and James 2:24 show very clearly that works are a part of it. I do support healthy dialogue which I guess you are saying is lacking here. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner not even to eat with such a person. Meets in the Community Center 512-789-3222. What churches could learn from the Pub Choir phenomenon, Breaking Up the Family in the Pursuit of Uniformity, The Micro-Shift That Could Be a Gear Changer for Your Church, Women in Ministry Megalist - Women's Role in the Church Resources, Wise Words Wednesday: The Brutality of Unhealthy Religion | GAP COMMUNITY, Being chiefly concerned with things to avoid, Measuring quantities (of giving/serving/attending etc.). One more question to you all who point fingers to those whose sin ( your word) is public, I want to ask- where is your contrition for shaming others? But this only provided them with more ammunition and fueled their rightness. The loaded the big guns, and intensified their attack. I Corinthians 5:10-13 NKJV Ireland, 2022, 1h 34min, DCP, In Irish Gaelic and English with English subtitles. Lets treat evangelical as a label controlled by individuals, not as a measure of fidelity. you dont get to decide what sin is, whether public or private. He encouraged the person to stop sinningmaybe because of His love for people, knowing that sin hurts the personnot because Jesus was focused on condemning sin. But the issue at hand is Christian teachers saying they heard from God through prayer that God looks at homosexual marriage the same as heterosexual-it just is blasphemy to say you heard such a thing. There is a time and place for calling people out, but we have lost our heart when it comes to being good examples of how to resolve conflict. Established in 2008. Seems to me if the person in question is public about their position then the response to that position may be public too. LOCATION | The 04 Center 2701 S Lamar Blvd, Austin, TX 78704 . But often we fail to see it when its practiced within our own communities. Youre at church to get help for any kind of sin not just this one, not to have it smiled upon so that no one will be offended. The 04 Center is a community space in the truest sense of the word. Principles of Community | Reflections from Acts, LOCATION | The 04 Center2701 S Lamar Blvd, Austin, TX 78704, SERVICE | Sundays 10:30**Kids/Students Programming and Livestream available. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you, so that at the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. He ONLY allows it because, to quote Jesus, because of mankinds hardness of heart. Do you believe in predestination? Have you ever held a rattlesnake or chugged a bottle of Clorox? Another form of self-justification is that my sin is really not sin and therefore I do not need to confess and repent of my sin and take it to the cross. Cracking a loud whip has always been the most effective means of controlling the movement of large groups of animals. Austin Miniatures Western Church Wild West Cowboys Conte Compatible Marx TSSD. Especially when theyre called out. In January of 2018, after coming under the . People forget about Jesus chasing people with a whip. Step back and have some one on one time with God because.let he who has no sin cast the first stone and when people do this and run her down you are TURNING PEOPLE AWAY FROM GOD!!! I dont know what it is that some of you have eaten but before commenting about a biblical issue perhaps it would serve you well to actually read the bible, brush up a little. Anyone who writes a damning or imperious or condescending comment on their blog is only showing they have no such concern for the person Approach them directly; raise your concerns respectfully; where appropriate and reasonable, invite a third party into the discussion. I cant imagine how this approach would lead a person down the wrong path. Thank you for being my intellectual superior and calling me out on that. [] (The link to the original blog is here.) Jesus didnt say a lot of things. Gal. Just my two cents. Please read Chapter 33 of the esteemed Hebraist Joel Hoffmans The Bible Doesnt Say That, on Homosexuality. So I enjoy beer, whisky, and alcohol; but have never been drunk a day in my life (dont know what it even feels like to be drunk). If you dont agree with it, then say so-though your wrong to disagree with it- but dont say something isnt there when it is. All. Shes not a heretic. Youre right-I have to say that it is God saying it-its all over the Bible- 1,863 were here. Your firmly held religious beliefs are personal. Thanks for the great submission Mike. Of course not! Jesus didnt talk about sexually abusing children. Directed by Colm Bairad. But this type of story appears just once in the Bible. But I know that God is on His throne and showing us the true Kingdom at hand, and it doesnt look like what we thought it would. http://www.sptsusa.org/not-my-kid/. 19:12). They need to ask forgiveness and repent like all sinners need too do. ChatGPT has got some preachers spooked. And I dont know anyone who doesnt love a little Righteous Anger. As someone mentioned earlier, child sexual abuse is not specifically mentioned in the Bible. 1,832 were here. To understand Paul you *must* read Romans 1 and 2 as a single argument; after all, Romans 2 begins with Therefore. He just hates sin. God allowed polygamy, rape victims being forced to marry their rapists, soldiers being allowed to keep women as spoils or war, brothers marrying sisters. Ahh yes. If one is dealing with public preaching its irrelevant. The Bible gives us ample examples of this. As I said before, EVERYONE deserves respect and for people to be treated bad by parents or anyone else is just wrong-that is not Christian either. Jen Hatmaker and her husband, Brandon, pastor Austin New Church in Texas. You hear disagreement and immediately assume it is a voice of bloodlust and anger and vengeance, and its easy to avoid the weight of the Bible when you can just write off any reasoned appeal from Scripture as a a bigoted response from a close-minded fiend. Its crazy to speculate what Jesus would or would not approve of if he didnt specifically speak about it. Share. Many of my charismatic and Pentecostal friends speak in tongues (some call it a prayer language) and swear by it. Its a beautiful picture, private and evocative. It has left me confused and weary. May God have mercy on these trespasses and may we all look to Gospel, with its truth and hope, and follow hard after it. By saying homosexual practice is not sin, it is a form of self-justification rather than Jesus-justification. I tend to stay out of the dialogue because it only matters to Christians, and the same people who []. I must be very removed from online evangelical chatter. But from the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. Do you? The Bible implores us to reason with one another, and Paul reasoned with the crowds from the Scriptures to prove Jesus as messiah. Are you saying Jesus sinned by chasing the money changers out of the temple? $99.99 + $18.10 shipping. Theres no way to prove everything that was actually said. I am so tired of the implication that someone who supports same-sex marriage (or any other cultural buzz issue) is not serious about the Word of God. The Body of Christ should do better than this! The building was originally Faith United Methodist Church since 1968 and in January of . JM changes his Facebook information to relay that he is no longer employed by the Free Methodist Church. BUILD COMMUNITY. JENNIFER and Brandon Hatmaker are known for their work with Austin New Church. Get the bloodlust out of your system, people. Im not fucking with anyone, man. In the Nicene Creed, Christians declare our belief in the four key attributes of the church when we say, [We believe] in one, holy, catholic. Austin New Church is located in Austin, Texas. How do we go about that privately if the person does not respond to you? Clearly, the time they went public it is public. Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. To promote some other Christ is, yes, blasphemy, and it is false. Lets be more careful that our theology is producing good fruit. An to be a Christ followed we have to die to our sin and live for Christ. Well, the opposite. Was the FMCUSA informed of the Hatmakers doctrinal change before it was publically announced on the internet? Do you not judge those who are inside? However, we should do so with respect and love to those who are in error. All of us know in our soul when somethings wrong. So I guess the real question for people with opposit sex attraction is what do you love more. Whatever that sin is, we have to turn. Uh-oh, it looks like its Jen Hatmakers turn. Please state facts, not falsehoods about what the Bible does or does not say. Here are his words to think about while you play gatekeeper over Hatmaker and the others and this topic. That was supposed to say. The idea that only the things that Jesus says is sin is considered a sin. My guess is, she knows precisely what shes doing. To them, the Scriptures are clear on this issue, and they think the rest of us are in error by treating Sunday like a Sabbath. I am so tried WITH Vicky of the implication that those that support same-sex marriage are not serious about the Word of God. She and her husband planted Austin New Church in an economically and ethnically diverse . so I guess that wouldnt be considered a sin. Polygamy was still occurring in the New Testament wealthy Jews. Thanks for those two references for healthy faith/church/religion. Maybe in those days that was considered finding common ground.. That doesnt mean that it isnt a sin when you take the entire Bible into consideration. Specialties. The C-List celebrity world you pursued comes with its pluses and minuses. We must as Evangelicals now learn, in the 21st Century, to be at least as good and wise as Nicodemus, who was willing to go to Jesus in private. Typos! Of course homosexuality us wrong-its everywhere in the Bible. To our age-old instincts that means death. But we should not bend Gods word with our own to meet the secular world. Sharing of various opinions leads to personal growth, if we allow it. We cant receive grace from something we dont actually believe is a sin. Jen follows hard after Jesus and she will be okay, no matter what lables are given and what articles are written. Marriage is defined by the song of creation in Genesis, bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh, man and woman. i agree completely. ANC: Austin New Church, Hatmakers church in Austin I was beginning to thing that all Christians were self-appointed judges. 'Art forms such as spoken word, poetry, drama, dance or even instrumental music have large been relegated to a rare holiday service if at all . I mean, its like youre willfully ignoring what Jesus is saying about marriage and what Genesis is saying about marriage. Many first century believers did, and we dont have real solid evidence that it ever was meant to be retired. Jesus did say Burn thine enemies to the ground when they disagree with you. Reasoning is not a heretical concept, but its reasoning from the Scriptures that she doesnt want to hear. Jesus said he didnt condemn Mary the prostitute, but she was to go & sin no more . Reasoning is a heretical concept to them. Sunday, May 28, 2022 Ascension Day. To say other wise could cause them not to have Jesus as Lord. AFS Cinema. I will simply READ MY BIBLE. And if so, do you ask them how they justify it? Austin Miniatures Western Hotel Saloon 2 story Wild West Cowboys . Matthew 18:15 seems the answer to me. We are a broadly evangelical association of churches, united by a set of core doctrinal statements, I started out in Christian ministry in the 1980s. Why because no where in the Bible does it say it is okay. Deli studied . The third step, if neither of these causes restoration, is tell it to the church, and if [s]he refuses to listen to even the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector (Matthew 18:15-17). The same thing happened to Vicky Beeching, here in the U.K (although a lot of her ministry was in the states so she was battered from Earlier I mentioned the Presbyterians. It is a pattern of sin emanating from our wicked hearts. And it was allowed. To love your neighbor as yourself is not condoning sin or teaching sin is okay. This IS great, Mike!! Do you keep the Sabbath holy? What are we so afraid of by allowing others opinions to be shared, acting as a source of topics for us all to wrestle with or further solidify our faith positions. But why does the pendulum have to swing to the other side on this, blatantly disregarding some of the approaches Jesus took and instead taking a hippie approach? If you dont, how do you justify that? Get Started Join us Sundays at 10:30am. But He didnt. Dont misunderstand me. He also confines marriage to man and woman by reiterating the words of Genesis 1 and 2 in Matthew 19. But those who claim his nameIm not even sure I want to be identified with them anymore. Flesh, man and woman, it looks like its Jen Hatmakers turn saying sinned. Constricting.Simulating.Seekin over the Bible- 1,863 were here. the Loving and Forgiving God a. 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