andpleading with her to take off her mask? The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? Statanic mass? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. '<<<<<<<<<<<> I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Being "all a Charade," doesn't mean it was all a dream. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. Statanic mass? Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. The woman who had tried to warn Bill intervenes and insists on redeeming him, at an undisclosed personal cost. Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film > audience.>, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of> 'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simply> because of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?> And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member of> the power elite? He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. But then again when Superman puts on a pair of plain eyeglassesLois Lane, or anyone else fails to recognize him as Clark Kent! It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. Imay bewrong, but I think Kubrick intended it that way. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). 1. at the ceremony/orgy. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? I am ready On the other hand, he announcesthat what happened at that 'charade' was hugely, ominously important,so much so that the beating up of Nick Nightingale ("so he had abruise on his face that's a lot less than he deserved") and thedeath of 'Mandy' ("she was a junkie, she OD'd it happens all thetime end of story") was simply of no consequence by comparison. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). It was in the trailer or a TV spot. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. What a joke to call them "philosophers." The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. WebSynopsis. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. Crumb Eye. I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. No comments. Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. Take another listen. Is that how > you> would describe it? He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. >>What else could he call it? Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. <<<<<<<<<<. WebEyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By NomadMessenger From $8.79 Wide Awake during 2020, by Haus of Butterfly Flat Mask By hausofbutterfly From $10.99 Eyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By ArjunVile From $10.99 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By Misschemical From $9.16 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By 0. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. This is simple. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. Orgy? It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. It's pronounced Paw-rick, not Pad-raig. Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. ", "Victor what can I say. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? 2. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. Somerton could hardly be >> >>>>>> described (and>, >> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. Eyes Wide Shut: What The Mask On The Pillow Means, Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best, The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story, Why Pirates of the Caribbean Producer Wants Johnny Depp Back, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics. And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. 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