My neighbour especially has people just wandering in and tapping at her kitchen window or joining the party on the stoop. But. YES. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. This sort of thing reminds me that the only era for which I know there were clear and universally followed rules about this sort of thing, it was Regency era England, when people* would drop by during a clearly defined period of the day for a morning call, for about 20 minutes, and your butler could declare that you were not at home if you didnt want to see them. I personally would lean toward expecting people at least 5-10 minutes early or late and talk to them if they go beyond that and its a problem. In some circumstances it may be totally fine to invite yourself to an event where on paper it would seem like a stupid idea. AUGH the theres always a but makes me so RAGEY. And I dont feel badly for talking about fun things with people in my life. Hi all, long time lurker, first time commenter I have seen this from both sides of the dropping by conundrum. I can think of lots of reasons, some of which have her unhappier with the work drop by. If the guy were my boyfriend, not just someone Id gone on a few dates with, it would either be fine or, if Id wanted to do something before everyone came over, mildly annoying. Actually, I think you really nailed it with !Plus it can feel for me like, whoa, are you going to do this a lot? It hurts to be the one being downgraded, but when it happens the only thing to do is respect their wishes and give them space. I have this problem, tooI canNOT invite myself somewhere, even if I know the host would be happy to have me. Thats an attractive quality. We dont know why that is so, but you can read more about that by following this link. If no one answers, they will then go around back and pry open a window or patio door to gain entry. In some cases, it might intimidate the guys, since in this situation you are the one leading the dance. I like to be able to decline social invitations. Oh I agree that asking directly may not yield usable information. I hope you get invited to the event! In those circumstances, you dont enjoy cleaning much, I can tell you. But with more scheduling and perhaps busier roads and less societal tolerance for kids walking somewhere by themselves, maybe the amount of arranging that a kid can take on at a given age and ability level has decreased. Ask him if it is cool to come over or if he would keep you company while your friends come back. A simple text letting him know you're looking forward to hanging out is sufficient. Sigh. Sorry you had to deal with all that. *and also fishies* Those good old days are likely to have sucked for people with anxiety disorders/other mental health issues/chronic pain/chronic fatigue. The real standout is the time he came to a free preview of my show well and good and proceeded to hang around after curtain, and after notes, and until I had said, Call times at 5 tomorrow, guys, see you then! Thats one culturally-specific example, and I dont want it to create a spiral of you/everyone-who-reads-this second-guessing the reality of everyones invitations, but I think there is something that you can adapt from it, dear Letter Writer:If a soon/later/in the near future suggestion by you or invitation from someone else seems unclear, clarify it by suggesting or asking about a definite time and place. Different people have different expectations for what a friendship will look like, and different needs re: social and alone time. My brother and sister-in-law wound up super-stressed because not only did her mother and father invite themselves over, but they brought her brother, his wife and their twin toddlers. I think you can make dropping in less awkward just by paying attention to the cues the other person is giving you. Oh man the people who will turn up at the door and then call/text. doing that, or reacting in other appropriate ways, without letting on that you noticed the feeling (VERY IMPORTANT). She made friends with two girls living in her apartment block, and the other two were totally fine with seeing that the other was online playing a game and inviting themselves over. It wouldnt involve a reaming out. YES SAME. Im still not sure how one knows the difference without being told explicitly so I still err on the side of isolating myself / not imposing my presence on people. Ohhhhhhh yeah. give yourself permission to stop making an effort to get onto their calendar. We dont have enough information to know whether this was appropriate in the context of the relationship. Company are the ones who cant, and therefore shouldnt show up early. Does it matter that T did come to my sons birthday party (not at our house) last week? In the case at hand, LW, your friend has made it clear that just dropping by because youre in the neighborhood is Not To Be Done, so dont. I really resent it. If its an emergency situation or a hey I remembered that I borrowed this from you or that you wanted to borrow this so I thought Id drop it off and then get back on my way Im ok with it. And articulately. If its someone I havent seen in a while who is finally back in town and a surprise its both good and bad. Learn everything about your strengths, desires, and shortcomings. So, my mother has started beseechingly claiming that she doesnt care about mess in my apartment. That wouldnt have occurred to me unless my friends were in the habit of trying to sell me things. I chose stay and keep playing bc, as a naive young thing, I thought that being offered that option meant that option was available for me to choose. If you have a chronic health condition (which might be physical, it might be mental illness, or a mixture of the two) and kids, sometimes youre doing well just to keep the dishes clean, the laundry done, kids clean, the floor uncrunchy and the table unsticky. Then, make a conscious decision to switch your focus elsewhere: on another new friend or date, on a hobby, on a great book youre reading, on showing up in some way for the people you already know and love. Like, we have the board game friends over for a movie except that one. I have optimized getting MY needs met and didnt even consider whether or not it made you feel uncomfortable., Let me help you be more efficient by removing one social obligation from your list.. I am good at putting on the Social Face when I have to, but Ill be damned if I will summon it just because someone decided to drop in for the heck of it. On your FAMILY vacations?? (when i say something i would have expected to be invited to i mean something others in a similar or seemingly less close relationship with them were invited to. So yeah, no, I dont invite myself along to anything again ever. (As long as no one decides they get to see the inside of my condo, were cool. I dont know if there are specifics that make that difficult to implement in this case, or if its just not the norm in your social group, but in many groups its a common social convention that a lot of people follow anyway. See Id totally get that we should do this! doesnt actually mean it until you make specific plans, but as soon as someone actually mentions a day Id assume its something that is almost certainly going to happen and we just need to confirm the time. You can also see how they react to other people, and if they have a constant stream of drop ins when youre over, or are OK with saying no when asked or setting limits on drop ins without squirming with discomfort. ! when someone shows up unexpectedly, and I only attend events I have been expressly invited to. For example if Bob Alice Camille Davy et al all know that Bob and Gerry are going on their honeymoon starting on Friday, I will feel fine talking about the picnic on Saturday. My mother always really, REALLY hated unexpected guests and visitors, and if someone showed up unexpectedly she would be icily polite until they left and then bitch about them for hours afterwards and for the following couple of days. People might suffer my presence, but a lot of invites were basically to everyone in the group but me and maybe one or two other fringe members. Maybe they forgot to tell you, or assumed the invitation was obvious, even if it was unspoken, or they just missed adding your name to a mass message that was sent out. In that happy, low key tone, you could say something like: A broader issue in whether inviting yourself is okay is how much will people like your company once you're there? Hope to catch up soon. And then let her be the next one to reach out. The situations in this response arent sticks to beat yourself up with, they are ways you can be more confident and comfortable in making plans with others. I didnt know what to do and chased after her. 1. What do you do? And if Im in the area of someones place I dont ask to go inside, I usually ask if they want to go do something (usually whatever I was on my way to do anyway). Im lucky to live in nyc, where that is more likely to be understood. At this point, with another adult, I would definitely stop asking until I got some kind of positive movement from the other party. I had to talk to my best friend gently about that. Then I realize theyre not going to punish me, they really were just asking, and its no big deal going forward. Itturned out ok, but I sort of wish I had subsequently invited one or two other people, because it was kinda weird to travel with this guy (he wasnt even a CLOSE friend, I have NO CLUE what he was thinking). Dont do anything dramatic, or say Guess you must not have REALLY wanted to go [hang] out sometime or otherwise press the person for reasons or reactions. Those mental issues existed twenty, forty, and sixty years ago, too. Maybe. I wish I had pulled back way way in the beginning but I craved the friendship and closeness. the trick is that i can never tell when its going to be one way or the other. Guy: Alright! I am a supporter of the day-before or the early-that-morning text to remind people to check their calendar. I hate it when someone else does. We have no enemies!. Ive dropped in on people, but I make it a point to A) ask if this is an okay time/are they busy/etc and B) not be more than 10 minutes unless I am absolutely sure its okay to hang out for a bit (ie. PLEASE CALL ME. It definitely hurts Mr Birds feelings to find out later that his dad, who we have a good relationship with but are only able to see a few times a year, was in Big Town all day with plenty of free time and didnt stop by (or call to see if wed be free that day). A ton of people who have executive function issues for various reasons struggle with guilt at their inability to meet this standard at all times, so they dont want to let others into their house without achieving that basic cleanliness level first. It hasnt worked as well for me though. I like your suggestions about neutral spaces too, will definitely use that in future. It feels like a Big Commitment to do complex scheduling on everything, whereas yo Im walking my dog down your street feels very, very low key to me. What my friend did that bothered us was: Its both a blessing and a curse when people know youre at home all day because it also happens to be where you work. Its insanely awkward. I think Id be really bothered and upset by someone showing up to my house unannounced, or even my dorm room/building/suite. Visit with the parent while the kids bash about. My friends had it even worse with a guy who would show up at their house literally hours early. Oh, agreed! A soft no is still a no. Golden. But I did start noodling around on Twitter more recently, and all of a sudden I started getting more invites from my friends who use Twitter as much as I do. So. I would hate everything about this. Find 33 ways to say INVITING, along with antonyms, related words, and example sentences at Thesaurus.com, the world's most trusted free thesaurus. Its not Im coming to see you, its Im coming past you, and thought it would be nice to see you. Re: Purple0 (sorry nesting fail) for work related things, a work-state of sort. I too have been in a fairly fighty friendship that was often, like you say: wow I have no idea why we are in this situation. I MISS the days when people would stop by and you could invite them in or chat briefly on the stoop, as suited the homeowner side of the drop by. An unannounced home-visit, however, doesnt have a built-in time limit, and this might be part of the reason she is not open to them. Turns out those same people liked to gang up on me with emotional abuse and gaslighting. You just have to use your words to figure out what works for your own personal social circle. I live in a neighbourhood with a culture like thisit was built about a century ago and gets a lot of foot traffic, and many people stop and chat on their stoops or run in and out of each others yards. I am NOT going to be guilted into inviting all and sundry thanks to GSF. In this particular situation, I dont think you did something WRONG/horribly rude, but your friend is now giving you the cue of please dont do this. So, you just gotta respect that for her, at least for right now, invites to her place are a no go. Expecting brutal honesty from others merely because one isnt socially adept is expecting too much. (I mean, my house is my Fortress of Solitude, and I can be super grumpy if Im interrupted in the middle of something by my phone, but unless underlying issues are at play, even I the Queen of the Solitary Grumpies here am never going to reply to a self-invite with Dude, totally inappropriate! rather than just, Nope, not gonna work right now.) Talk about it with her if youd like; let her slow-fade quietly on out if youd like; find a new awesome person to enjoy riding with. Also, LW, Im sorry to say this but it sounds like your friend is trying to pull a slow fade. What I think is important is that sometimes it is okay to invite yourself to a get together, and knowing that may let you have a better social life. I think she was taken aback when I said Its a church wedding so of course its open to the public anyone in the congregation can attend. She was angling for a personal invite. I like to not wear pants in my own house when it is hot outside and I feel like not wearing pants. Ill only use that one if I know that friend in question will be able to say no and we can laugh it off, and usually give an out. I care a *lot*, because having my mother constantly belittle me, my housekeeping skills and my space whenever she visits makes my home feel not like a safe space. +1 to this. Is it the same rule? . I tend to get to parties and stuff early because I have severe anxieties about being late. Its also a good way to practice self-care, by saving your time and attention for people who reciprocate. I keep thinking about going and finding the car and asking them to cut it out. Its why some older houses on real estate listings have reception room in addition to lounge. I stopped hanging out with them for several reasons, but this was a main one. I have ADHD and this is a thing I feel a lot. Sorry for the messiness of the paragraph. My son, who is 7, has a best friend at school that he adores. Yeah, his reaction was so weird. Pare it down to the necessities. Providing a thoughtful comment on a blog post of a friend, or community contact. WITHOUT offering up an alternative or making a visible effort to make something happen. For me, its a bit like physical contact boundaries. Hey, Ill turn up between 8am and 6pm! Its not that hard not to bring occasions to which another person wasnt invited in front of them. I mean, if people need to identify and express that cleaning/not-cleaning comes with a sense of shame, go for it! You'll make your life much simpler. Id MUCH rather have a conversation like: THEM: We missed you at [that Thing], why didnt you come? But the script Id suggest for other events is, Cousin, this is really awkward, but we planned for a specific number of people and Im afraid we just cant have you over this time. Don't just say, "I was thinking I could come over on Friday." Someone surprises me at home: invasion of my precious and rare me-time. Issue one invitation, and whether its accepted or turned down, wait for one from her before issuing another. Floordrobe! The Captain mentioned the Ask vs. Its come to the point where I feel like I have to leave the curtains drawn and basically hide in the house all day. Don't overpay for pet insurance. I say this, and I am a pretty easy-going person about not being invited to things. Distance communication makes explaining that Im doing something non-interruptible seem more polite and gives more hypothetical space for you to pretend I was actually doing something specific or about to run to an appointment rather than just not feeling sociable. I love hiking." As a general rule, though, calling ahead is never *wrong* and can save you a lot of Oh, I didnt expect visitors, lets talk out here on the porch for a few minutes awkwardness. Some people love regularly showing up 30/45 minutes early every time to the point where weve started saying doors open at 6 because otherwise who even knows. Sounds like something Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory would do. Yes, and it is impolite to place that responsibility and discomfort upon them merely because one isnt very good at picking up on social cues. The reason is that I didnt invite you. They may have to deal with a tag along dragging down their group. 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